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		<title>By: FN</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/08/24/the-worst-time-to-join-a-startup-is-right-after-it-gets-initial-vc-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-8711</link>
		<dc:creator>FN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 17:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point and one I&#039;m going to pass along to Prof. Noam Wasserman at HBS who does &lt;a href=&quot;https://compstudy.com/about-us/blog/quick-handshake-valuation-penalty&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;research&lt;/a&gt; on this using a giant database of venture / pre-venture funded companies (CompStudy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point and one I&#8217;m going to pass along to Prof. Noam Wasserman at HBS who does <a href="https://compstudy.com/about-us/blog/quick-handshake-valuation-penalty" rel="nofollow">research</a> on this using a giant database of venture / pre-venture funded companies (CompStudy).</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrice Grinda</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/08/24/the-worst-time-to-join-a-startup-is-right-after-it-gets-initial-vc-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-4821</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabrice Grinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a related article on at what stage executives should join startups. You can read it at:
http://www.fabricegrinda.com/?p=828</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a related article on at what stage executives should join startups. You can read it at:<br />
<a href="http://www.fabricegrinda.com/?p=828" rel="nofollow">http://www.fabricegrinda.com/?p=828</a></p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin A. Shelton &#124; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links of the Week: September 4th</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/08/24/the-worst-time-to-join-a-startup-is-right-after-it-gets-initial-vc-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-2098</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin A. Shelton &#124; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links of the Week: September 4th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So, you&#8217;re looking to join a small company. Guess when the worst time to join it is? It&#8217;s right after VC funding. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The worst time to join a startup is right after it gets initial VC financing &#124; Igniting Startups - nPost</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/08/24/the-worst-time-to-join-a-startup-is-right-after-it-gets-initial-vc-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-1918</link>
		<dc:creator>The worst time to join a startup is right after it gets initial VC financing &#124; Igniting Startups - nPost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-31 &#8226; Bare Identity</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/08/24/the-worst-time-to-join-a-startup-is-right-after-it-gets-initial-vc-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-31 &#8226; Bare Identity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Speaker City &#187; Links for August 30th</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/08/24/the-worst-time-to-join-a-startup-is-right-after-it-gets-initial-vc-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-1792</link>
		<dc:creator>Speaker City &#187; Links for August 30th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cdixon.org / The worst time to join a startup is right after it gets initial VC financing - equity grants given to new employees soon after Series A financings are generally a bad deal for those employees on a risk/reward basis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cdixon.org / The worst time to join a startup is right after it gets initial VC financing &#8211; equity grants given to new employees soon after Series A financings are generally a bad deal for those employees on a risk/reward basis. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brad - the idea that startup people are less intelligent that hedge fund people is just silly.  the people i know and work with are top engineers from top schools who turned down working at hedge funds because they wanted to create things of real value instead of just shuffling money around.  

you also completely misunderstand my point about comp.  the point is genuine risk takers are willing to only make money when they create something of real value (by taking equity), instead of end of year mark to market profits and the other nonsense that goes on at hedge funds, investment banks etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brad &#8211; the idea that startup people are less intelligent that hedge fund people is just silly.  the people i know and work with are top engineers from top schools who turned down working at hedge funds because they wanted to create things of real value instead of just shuffling money around.  </p>
<p>you also completely misunderstand my point about comp.  the point is genuine risk takers are willing to only make money when they create something of real value (by taking equity), instead of end of year mark to market profits and the other nonsense that goes on at hedge funds, investment banks etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Personally I’d rather see people get bigger option grants post Series A and sub-market (or better yet subsistence) cash salaries - until the company is cash flow positive.  This is pretty much the opposite of Wall Street’s compensation schemes.&quot;

In theory this is great, but the problem with this is that typically, the smartest/most capable/most talented individuals go where the money is, within whatever industry they&#039;re in. I personally think human capital should be valued at whatever it&#039;s worth -&gt; employees should be paid at least at market salaries, AS WELL as with favorable options packages.

I&#039;ve met a lot of entrepreneurs, but even the smartest are usually barely on par, intellectually/analytically/etc, with average/mediocre hedge fund analysts (just from my own personal experience). There is a reason for this; make startups more compelling for smart people to join; value human capital at its intrinsic worth, and pay accordingly; after all, that&#039;s what the VC money is for half the time, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Personally I’d rather see people get bigger option grants post Series A and sub-market (or better yet subsistence) cash salaries &#8211; until the company is cash flow positive.  This is pretty much the opposite of Wall Street’s compensation schemes.&#8221;</p>
<p>In theory this is great, but the problem with this is that typically, the smartest/most capable/most talented individuals go where the money is, within whatever industry they&#8217;re in. I personally think human capital should be valued at whatever it&#8217;s worth -&gt; employees should be paid at least at market salaries, AS WELL as with favorable options packages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met a lot of entrepreneurs, but even the smartest are usually barely on par, intellectually/analytically/etc, with average/mediocre hedge fund analysts (just from my own personal experience). There is a reason for this; make startups more compelling for smart people to join; value human capital at its intrinsic worth, and pay accordingly; after all, that&#8217;s what the VC money is for half the time, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are also missing that once you are funded you actually pay employees a realistic salary. Everyone else is working for nothing. Often after the series A the founders are working for just &#039;rent money&#039; not a real salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are also missing that once you are funded you actually pay employees a realistic salary. Everyone else is working for nothing. Often after the series A the founders are working for just &#8216;rent money&#8217; not a real salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are exactly right -- this has been my experience at multiple startups. 

A reasonable solution is to allow new post-series A employees to get more equity if they take a lower salary. I like to lay out a range of option/salary tradeoffs and let them pick the point they&#039;re most comfortable. 

BTW I don&#039;t hold it against people if they pick salary over options. The important thing is that they be comfortable with what they choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are exactly right &#8212; this has been my experience at multiple startups. </p>
<p>A reasonable solution is to allow new post-series A employees to get more equity if they take a lower salary. I like to lay out a range of option/salary tradeoffs and let them pick the point they&#8217;re most comfortable. </p>
<p>BTW I don&#8217;t hold it against people if they pick salary over options. The important thing is that they be comfortable with what they choose.</p>
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