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		<title>By: Dividing free and paid features in “freemium” products &#124; Igniting Startups - nPost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividing free and paid features in “freemium” products &#124; Igniting Startups - nPost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Silk Screen</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-5778</link>
		<dc:creator>Silk Screen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding value for money in paid versions of desktop software has become rarity these days because almost everything has open-source alternatives. First CuteFTP paid was the only good quality ftp client out there, now you have free open source Filezilla and others. May be a model of &#039;donateware&#039; would work - I have seen CCleaner stay in business for some 3 years now, supported entirely by donationware. The other idea is allowing the user to micro-pay the entire purchase price of a piece of desktop software over an extended period of time rather than making an upfront payment. Another idea would be to just do everything possible to attain maximum number of users (userbase) so you can just sell the company and move on and let the buyer figure out how to monetize. Only a big userbase would motivate the purchase decision of buyer in such cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding value for money in paid versions of desktop software has become rarity these days because almost everything has open-source alternatives. First CuteFTP paid was the only good quality ftp client out there, now you have free open source Filezilla and others. May be a model of &#39;donateware&#39; would work &#8211; I have seen CCleaner stay in business for some 3 years now, supported entirely by donationware. The other idea is allowing the user to micro-pay the entire purchase price of a piece of desktop software over an extended period of time rather than making an upfront payment. Another idea would be to just do everything possible to attain maximum number of users (userbase) so you can just sell the company and move on and let the buyer figure out how to monetize. Only a big userbase would motivate the purchase decision of buyer in such cases.</p>
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		<title>By: 10-Sep-2009 &#124; MohanArun.com</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2336</link>
		<dc:creator>10-Sep-2009 &#124; MohanArun.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Silk Screen</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2339</link>
		<dc:creator>Silk Screen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding value for money in paid versions of desktop software has become rarity these days because almost everything has open-source alternatives. First CuteFTP paid was the only good quality ftp client out there, now you have free open source Filezilla and others. May be a model of &#039;donateware&#039; would work - I have seen CCleaner stay in business for some 3 years now, supported entirely by donationware. The other idea is allowing the user to micro-pay the entire purchase price of a piece of desktop software over an extended period of time rather than making an upfront payment. Another idea would be to just do everything possible to attain maximum number of users (userbase) so you can just sell the company and move on and let the buyer figure out how to monetize. Only a big userbase would motivate the purchase decision of buyer in such cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding value for money in paid versions of desktop software has become rarity these days because almost everything has open-source alternatives. First CuteFTP paid was the only good quality ftp client out there, now you have free open source Filezilla and others. May be a model of &#39;donateware&#39; would work &#8211; I have seen CCleaner stay in business for some 3 years now, supported entirely by donationware. The other idea is allowing the user to micro-pay the entire purchase price of a piece of desktop software over an extended period of time rather than making an upfront payment. Another idea would be to just do everything possible to attain maximum number of users (userbase) so you can just sell the company and move on and let the buyer figure out how to monetize. Only a big userbase would motivate the purchase decision of buyer in such cases.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2247</link>
		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good ideas.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Geller</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2226</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Geller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, I wanted to mention a related suggestion from Timothy Chang of Norwest Venture Partners, which he made at the Casual Connect gaming conference this year--that is to require free users to do some activities that add value to your site in other ways, e.g., referring the site or content to friends, retweeting links, adding comments or ratings, etc. This can be a painless way for users to contribute value without paying cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I wanted to mention a related suggestion from Timothy Chang of Norwest Venture Partners, which he made at the Casual Connect gaming conference this year&#8211;that is to require free users to do some activities that add value to your site in other ways, e.g., referring the site or content to friends, retweeting links, adding comments or ratings, etc. This can be a painless way for users to contribute value without paying cash.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. Great products keep you because you love them, not because you are stuck.</description>
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		<title>By: nikiscevak</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2187</link>
		<dc:creator>nikiscevak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Chris but your post does focus inwardly rather than from the perspective of the user, especially for web service/apps. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You hinted at it with Box.net: The deeper a user becomes ingrained in the product their propensity to pay goes way up. I believe Evernote is another great example (see the recent NY Times article).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the more important focus shouldn&#039;t be on delineating the feature set but rather getting the user to see and accrue value in your service and before long it&#039;s too late to go back. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The crack dealer gives away the same crack in the first free hit and doesn&#039;t just give away bad crack and sell good crack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Chris but your post does focus inwardly rather than from the perspective of the user, especially for web service/apps. </p>
<p>You hinted at it with Box.net: The deeper a user becomes ingrained in the product their propensity to pay goes way up. I believe Evernote is another great example (see the recent NY Times article).</p>
<p>So the more important focus shouldn&#39;t be on delineating the feature set but rather getting the user to see and accrue value in your service and before long it&#39;s too late to go back. </p>
<p>The crack dealer gives away the same crack in the first free hit and doesn&#39;t just give away bad crack and sell good crack.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh From Twitter &#171; Andrew Royer</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2150</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresh From Twitter &#171; Andrew Royer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 06:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-09-05 &#171; Blarney Fellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-09-05 &#171; Blarney Fellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: comradity</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2134</link>
		<dc:creator>comradity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the context of media, there is an additional advantage to the paid model, I have an example of the free vs paid content, and one caveat.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agree that the paid model offers additional marketing tools - like affiliates.  Also, having a successful paid model offers proof that your user experience and your marketing are effective, creating sponsor demand.  May also generate premium from sponsor.  Then the sponsor is paying not just for exposure but also for your expertise to develop an experience worth paying for and to market it.    Not such a new phenomenon.  Back in the day, it was typical to pay more for paid vs. unpaid circulation for a print publication.  Additional magazines with high &quot;time spent&quot; and high involvement were more likely to generate higher response rates if the offer is relevant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding free vs. paid content (and I think the media properties with the most value will have infinite #&#039;s of paid elements) . . . Free content should be an appetizer that makes the prospect hungry for more.  It should be freely distributed all over the place (could be sponsored, sharing the revenue with the host sites), with a link back to a landing page to convert the curious to a paid, no obligation &quot;snack.&quot;  The snack should be designed to establish credibility and the &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; nature of content and community conversation.  Once the snack is consumed, offer a paid subscription for real time updates anywhere.  Folks who engage regularly should be invited to be members at a higher price.  Once a member, there are special VIP offers, including tickets to live events, higher priced tickets for exclusive pre-event meeting with event talent, merchandise.  Quality audience participation should be rewarded with credits towards premium content, events, merchandise, etc.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The caveat - for any of this to happen need a currency for the internet marketplace, as, for example, second life, and many kids social networks.  But it needs to be universal. See post &quot;Opportunity is Knocking&quot; here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/ba6rX&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/ba6rX&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Katherine Warman Kern&lt;br&gt;@comradity&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comradity.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.comradity.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the context of media, there is an additional advantage to the paid model, I have an example of the free vs paid content, and one caveat.  </p>
<p>Agree that the paid model offers additional marketing tools &#8211; like affiliates.  Also, having a successful paid model offers proof that your user experience and your marketing are effective, creating sponsor demand.  May also generate premium from sponsor.  Then the sponsor is paying not just for exposure but also for your expertise to develop an experience worth paying for and to market it.    Not such a new phenomenon.  Back in the day, it was typical to pay more for paid vs. unpaid circulation for a print publication.  Additional magazines with high &#8220;time spent&#8221; and high involvement were more likely to generate higher response rates if the offer is relevant.</p>
<p>Regarding free vs. paid content (and I think the media properties with the most value will have infinite #&#39;s of paid elements) . . . Free content should be an appetizer that makes the prospect hungry for more.  It should be freely distributed all over the place (could be sponsored, sharing the revenue with the host sites), with a link back to a landing page to convert the curious to a paid, no obligation &#8220;snack.&#8221;  The snack should be designed to establish credibility and the &#8220;can&#39;t miss&#8221; nature of content and community conversation.  Once the snack is consumed, offer a paid subscription for real time updates anywhere.  Folks who engage regularly should be invited to be members at a higher price.  Once a member, there are special VIP offers, including tickets to live events, higher priced tickets for exclusive pre-event meeting with event talent, merchandise.  Quality audience participation should be rewarded with credits towards premium content, events, merchandise, etc.  </p>
<p>The caveat &#8211; for any of this to happen need a currency for the internet marketplace, as, for example, second life, and many kids social networks.  But it needs to be universal. See post &#8220;Opportunity is Knocking&#8221; here: <a href="http://bit.ly/ba6rX" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ba6rX</a>  </p>
<p>Katherine Warman Kern<br />@comradity<br /><a href="http://www.comradity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.comradity.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Semeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Semeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along similar lines, Chris Anderson gave away the unabridged audiobook of &#039;Free&#039;, but charged for the abridged version on the basis that busy people would be willing to pay just to have the key insights.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I think it&#039;s an odd approach. But perhaps that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along similar lines, Chris Anderson gave away the unabridged audiobook of &#39;Free&#39;, but charged for the abridged version on the basis that busy people would be willing to pay just to have the key insights.</p>
<p>Personally, I think it&#39;s an odd approach. But perhaps that&#39;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the data is proprietary.  I am basing my high level views on lots of data I&#039;ve seen but unfortunately it&#039;s not my place to disclose that data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the data is proprietary.  I am basing my high level views on lots of data I&#39;ve seen but unfortunately it&#39;s not my place to disclose that data.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxi Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxi Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, but quite generic posts. I would really look forward to seeing some hard data on this; I understand that this may be challenging to come by, though.&lt;br&gt;For my last project we went completely free and it was a disaster, only affiliate-earnings as way to at least recoup the cost left.&lt;br&gt;My next project completely goes the other way: Charge all the users with a real value-add right from the beginning (give them a gift to hook them up though). I am very curious if this works out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, but quite generic posts. I would really look forward to seeing some hard data on this; I understand that this may be challenging to come by, though.<br />For my last project we went completely free and it was a disaster, only affiliate-earnings as way to at least recoup the cost left.<br />My next project completely goes the other way: Charge all the users with a real value-add right from the beginning (give them a gift to hook them up though). I am very curious if this works out</p>
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		<title>By: Free and premium and everything in between &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2108</link>
		<dc:creator>Free and premium and everything in between &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and premium and everything in between  Sep 5th, 2009 by Farhan.    I read this great post on dividing free and paid features in “Freemium” models from Chris Dixon (who’s quickly becoming my entrepreneur’s blog answer to Fred’s VC [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and premium and everything in between  Sep 5th, 2009 by Farhan.    I read this great post on dividing free and paid features in “Freemium” models from Chris Dixon (who’s quickly becoming my entrepreneur’s blog answer to Fred’s VC [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think this point is often overlooked amongst the &quot;let&#039;s grow by being free and having it spread virally&quot; crowd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at LogMeIn and GoToMyPc - very successful companies that are basically just paid versions of VNC/screen sharing built into modern OSs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think this point is often overlooked amongst the &#8220;let&#39;s grow by being free and having it spread virally&#8221; crowd.</p>
<p>Look at LogMeIn and GoToMyPc &#8211; very successful companies that are basically just paid versions of VNC/screen sharing built into modern OSs.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s a time tested way divide in software.  Give away single user stuff but charge for management tools, security, access, etc - the stuff businesses always need but single users don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#39;s a time tested way divide in software.  Give away single user stuff but charge for management tools, security, access, etc &#8211; the stuff businesses always need but single users don&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting and bold strategy.  Hopefully your users will pony up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s an interesting and bold strategy.  Hopefully your users will pony up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2111</link>
		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Pandora is doing that now too and I admit it might work on me.  These guys might be an exception since they are just such great services and ads are tolerable but if you listen to it a lot worth getting rid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Pandora is doing that now too and I admit it might work on me.  These guys might be an exception since they are just such great services and ads are tolerable but if you listen to it a lot worth getting rid of.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Pandora is doing that now too and I admit it might work on me.  These guys might be an exception since they are just such great services and ads are tolerable but if you listen to it a lot worth getting rid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Pandora is doing that now too and I admit it might work on me.  These guys might be an exception since they are just such great services and ads are tolerable but if you listen to it a lot worth getting rid of.</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2110</link>
		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With digital goods there is rarely a marginal loss, but given the R+D you put giving away a free product seems a little like a loss leader, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With digital goods there is rarely a marginal loss, but given the R+D you put giving away a free product seems a little like a loss leader, no?</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s the ideal.  But with some products, in practice, it&#039;s hard to have both a great free product and a really compelling reason to upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#39;s the ideal.  But with some products, in practice, it&#39;s hard to have both a great free product and a really compelling reason to upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: farhanlalji</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator>farhanlalji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the theory of your final thought Chris, but shouldn&#039;t pay for features be so outstanding that you know people would pay for them?  If you&#039;re going to debate between free and paid for, make it free and think of more advanced features that you know people would pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the theory of your final thought Chris, but shouldn&#39;t pay for features be so outstanding that you know people would pay for them?  If you&#39;re going to debate between free and paid for, make it free and think of more advanced features that you know people would pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: David Semeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Semeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to look it over.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t see an issue with what you call cognitive overheard. People don&#039;t really think about the cost of an SMS before sending it, as long as the unit cost is very small. Clay Shirky has pointed out similar issues, where the user is forced into an endless stream of tiny decisions. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is only one usage decision and corresponding dialog box for each service in the model. Think of it as an all-you-can-eat subscription where you get an (upto 100%) rebate for not using the service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to look it over.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t see an issue with what you call cognitive overheard. People don&#39;t really think about the cost of an SMS before sending it, as long as the unit cost is very small. Clay Shirky has pointed out similar issues, where the user is forced into an endless stream of tiny decisions. </p>
<p>There is only one usage decision and corresponding dialog box for each service in the model. Think of it as an all-you-can-eat subscription where you get an (upto 100%) rebate for not using the service.</p>
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		<title>By: ankeshk</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2105</link>
		<dc:creator>ankeshk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar idea to freemiums that very few websites use is a trick from the supermarkets: using loss leaders.&lt;br&gt;They sell milk at a loss to get people in their stores and buy other products - that are not directly related to milk.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So if you can&#039;t find a clear line between the paid and the free versions - making the paid version do something useful but slightly unrelated to the free version would work too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar idea to freemiums that very few websites use is a trick from the supermarkets: using loss leaders.<br />They sell milk at a loss to get people in their stores and buy other products &#8211; that are not directly related to milk.</p>
<p>So if you can&#39;t find a clear line between the paid and the free versions &#8211; making the paid version do something useful but slightly unrelated to the free version would work too.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. MacIver</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>David R. MacIver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spotify is an interesting recent data point for the &quot;shareware version which annoys you with ads&quot; model. The paid version offers nothing that the free version doesn&#039;t (this may change ad people start to hack on spotify apps - using third party applications with spotify requires you to be a paid user - but there&#039;s nothing serious in that space yet), but the paid version will randomly insert ads into your playlist (with various restrictions to stop you skipping them).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to work remarkably well. In my case at least it only took a few days for the ads to annoy me so much relative to the quality of service otherwise that I paid for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spotify is an interesting recent data point for the &#8220;shareware version which annoys you with ads&#8221; model. The paid version offers nothing that the free version doesn&#39;t (this may change ad people start to hack on spotify apps &#8211; using third party applications with spotify requires you to be a paid user &#8211; but there&#39;s nothing serious in that space yet), but the paid version will randomly insert ads into your playlist (with various restrictions to stop you skipping them).</p>
<p>It seems to work remarkably well. In my case at least it only took a few days for the ads to annoy me so much relative to the quality of service otherwise that I paid for it.</p>
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		<title>By: chandikajay</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator>chandikajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are now testing a variation of the freemium model with a &#039;name your price&#039; subscription service at &lt;a href=&quot;http://Creately.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creately.com&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s technically risky to let someone pay any price they want,but since launching it 2 days ago, we&#039;ve been pleasantly surprised :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The thought process behind it is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-creately-launches-new-plans/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-cre...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are now testing a variation of the freemium model with a &#39;name your price&#39; subscription service at <a href="http://Creately.com" rel="nofollow">Creately.com</a>. It&#39;s technically risky to let someone pay any price they want,but since launching it 2 days ago, we&#39;ve been pleasantly surprised <img src='http://cdixon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The thought process behind it is at <a href="http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-creately-launches-new-plans/" rel="nofollow">http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-cre&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: chandikajay</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2096</link>
		<dc:creator>chandikajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are now testing a variation of the freemium model with a &#039;name your price&#039; subscription service at &lt;a href=&quot;http://Creately.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creately.com&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s technically risky to let someone pay any price they want,but since launching it 2 days ago, we&#039;ve been pleasantly surprised :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The thought process behind it is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-creately-launches-new-plans/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-cre...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are now testing a variation of the freemium model with a &#39;name your price&#39; subscription service at <a href="http://Creately.com" rel="nofollow">Creately.com</a>. It&#39;s technically risky to let someone pay any price they want,but since launching it 2 days ago, we&#39;ve been pleasantly surprised <img src='http://cdixon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The thought process behind it is at <a href="http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-creately-launches-new-plans/" rel="nofollow">http://creately.com/blog/creately/beta-over-cre&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: chrisyeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisyeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real trick is to find the equivalent of the Saturday-night stayover.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Airlines charge a lot more for travel that doesn&#039;t include a Saturday-night stay.  Why?  Business travelers, who are more price insensitive, hate to be away from home on weekends.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This qualitative difference is much easier to leverage than a simple quantitative difference like price.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At PBworks, one of our &quot;Saturday-night stayovers&quot; is granular access control.  Consumers don&#039;t need to keep certain parts of their wikis/workspaces hidden from others, but businesses definitely do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real trick is to find the equivalent of the Saturday-night stayover.</p>
<p>Airlines charge a lot more for travel that doesn&#39;t include a Saturday-night stay.  Why?  Business travelers, who are more price insensitive, hate to be away from home on weekends.</p>
<p>This qualitative difference is much easier to leverage than a simple quantitative difference like price.</p>
<p>At PBworks, one of our &#8220;Saturday-night stayovers&#8221; is granular access control.  Consumers don&#39;t need to keep certain parts of their wikis/workspaces hidden from others, but businesses definitely do.</p>
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		<title>By: jerryji</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2093</link>
		<dc:creator>jerryji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is, don&#039;t be evil to your freemium users -- don&#039;t cheat them, don&#039;t harass them, don&#039;t completely ignore their complaints and suggestions. Engage them functionally, or better, engage them emotionally, or even better, engage them emotionally with their peer users, then on top of the added functionality/convenience/support, offer a load of eye candy to the paid user and make it so easy to brag about to their group members with just one button click.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is, don&#39;t be evil to your freemium users &#8212; don&#39;t cheat them, don&#39;t harass them, don&#39;t completely ignore their complaints and suggestions. Engage them functionally, or better, engage them emotionally, or even better, engage them emotionally with their peer users, then on top of the added functionality/convenience/support, offer a load of eye candy to the paid user and make it so easy to brag about to their group members with just one button click.</p>
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		<title>By: dlifson</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2090</link>
		<dc:creator>dlifson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree that charging for something provides different partnership opportunities. With my company, Postling, we charge $9/month for our product. In some ways, our functionality overlaps with free services like Ping.fm and Posterous, however large corporations with access to hundreds of thousands of customers have come to us about partnership opportunities precisely because we are not free. After all, you can&#039;t take a commission on free. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree that charging for something provides different partnership opportunities. With my company, Postling, we charge $9/month for our product. In some ways, our functionality overlaps with free services like Ping.fm and Posterous, however large corporations with access to hundreds of thousands of customers have come to us about partnership opportunities precisely because we are not free. After all, you can&#39;t take a commission on free. <img src='http://cdixon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn, I just wrote a long reply to you and then hit cancel and lost it!  Oh well... abbreviated version below...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with micro-billing , at least from my own personal experience, is it has such a large cognitive overhead on users.  Think of AOL back before it was all you can eat.  People would jump on and off the get their email.  Making the internet all you can eat created massive value overall (even if AOL itself didn&#039;t capture that value).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn, I just wrote a long reply to you and then hit cancel and lost it!  Oh well&#8230; abbreviated version below&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem with micro-billing , at least from my own personal experience, is it has such a large cognitive overhead on users.  Think of AOL back before it was all you can eat.  People would jump on and off the get their email.  Making the internet all you can eat created massive value overall (even if AOL itself didn&#39;t capture that value).</p>
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		<title>By: cdixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2080</link>
		<dc:creator>cdixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, very interesting.  Would love to hear more.</description>
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		<title>By: David Semeria</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2073</link>
		<dc:creator>David Semeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blogged a while back on a model where you don&#039;t have to kill yourself deciding what&#039;s free and what&#039;s not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s the link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://lmframework.com/blog/2009/06/freemium&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lmframework.com/blog/2009/06/freemium&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Make of it what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged a while back on a model where you don&#39;t have to kill yourself deciding what&#39;s free and what&#39;s not.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s the link: <a href="http://lmframework.com/blog/2009/06/freemium" rel="nofollow">http://lmframework.com/blog/2009/06/freemium</a></p>
<p>Make of it what you will.</p>
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		<title>By: David Cancel</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/04/dividing-free-and-paid-features-in-freemium-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>David Cancel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With my next startup I&#039;m actually looking at flipping this model. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Give away the advanced version and charge for the simple version. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are a just few examples of this &quot;flipped&quot; freemium model out there, at least that I can come up with. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the great posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With my next startup I&#39;m actually looking at flipping this model. </p>
<p>Give away the advanced version and charge for the simple version. </p>
<p>There are a just few examples of this &#8220;flipped&#8221; freemium model out there, at least that I can come up with. </p>
<p>Thanks for the great posts.</p>
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