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		<title>By: Finance Geek » Understanding Venture Capital – slides for my Cass Business School talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finance Geek » Understanding Venture Capital – slides for my Cass Business School talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: evreeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>evreeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post Chris.  I&#039;m about to graduate from undergrad and I have been asking this question to everyone I know who has worked in VC.  This post and the comments about it were incredibly useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post Chris.  I&#39;m about to graduate from undergrad and I have been asking this question to everyone I know who has worked in VC.  This post and the comments about it were incredibly useful.</p>
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		<title>By: evreeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>evreeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post Chris.  I&#039;m about to graduate from undergrad and I have been asking this question to everyone I know who has worked in VC.  This post and the comments about it were incredibly useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post Chris.  I&#39;m about to graduate from undergrad and I have been asking this question to everyone I know who has worked in VC.  This post and the comments about it were incredibly useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to know a Glocap Recruiter who was Stanford GSB classmates with one of my former bosses at Ebay, who told me that for the average associate/sr. associate posting they will receive on the order of 2000 resumes. From that they will conduct first screens on maybe 50-70, then have &lt;20 they will send on to the hiring company, which may over 6-9 months lead to 1-3 offers. As many have pointed out above, the numbers can be daunting, but it&#039;s not impossible. Churn at lower levels is high, for glass ceiling reasons, lack of fund raising reasons, other totally random reasons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The best post I have read on this topic is Seth Levine&#039;s (of Foundry Group) series of posts on this topic. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2005/05/how-to-become-a.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2005/05...&lt;/a&gt; , &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2008/04/how-to-get-a-jo.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2008/04...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I was trying to land an associate gig 1.5 years ago I actually passed up getting an MBA at that time, figuring I&#039;d learn more getting to see the insides of the company building/sausage making process, and I haven&#039;t been disappointed at all. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FYI I tweet pretty frequently on the #JuniorVC hashtag trying to give people tips on what life is like as an associate. It would be cool if anyone chiming in on the topic wanted to use the same hashtag, so there&#039;d be an easy for way for people to see what&#039;s out there on this very popular topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to know a Glocap Recruiter who was Stanford GSB classmates with one of my former bosses at Ebay, who told me that for the average associate/sr. associate posting they will receive on the order of 2000 resumes. From that they will conduct first screens on maybe 50-70, then have &lt;20 they will send on to the hiring company, which may over 6-9 months lead to 1-3 offers. As many have pointed out above, the numbers can be daunting, but it&#39;s not impossible. Churn at lower levels is high, for glass ceiling reasons, lack of fund raising reasons, other totally random reasons.</p>
<p>The best post I have read on this topic is Seth Levine&#39;s (of Foundry Group) series of posts on this topic. <a href="http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2005/05/how-to-become-a.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2005/05.." rel="nofollow">http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2005/05..</a>. , <a href="http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2008/04/how-to-get-a-jo.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2008/04.." rel="nofollow">http://www.sethlevine.com/blog/archives/2008/04..</a>.</p>
<p>When I was trying to land an associate gig 1.5 years ago I actually passed up getting an MBA at that time, figuring I&#39;d learn more getting to see the insides of the company building/sausage making process, and I haven&#39;t been disappointed at all. </p>
<p>FYI I tweet pretty frequently on the #JuniorVC hashtag trying to give people tips on what life is like as an associate. It would be cool if anyone chiming in on the topic wanted to use the same hashtag, so there&#39;d be an easy for way for people to see what&#39;s out there on this very popular topic.</p>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/08/getting-a-job-in-venture-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more good comments, thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Posting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymously Posting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known people who were at very top tier shops that left because of that glass ceiling.  It&#039;s just always hard to figure out who helped a company do well... was it the partner or principal?  That being said, having sourced a deal gives the junior person a bit more credibility.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One thing I&#039;ve also seen are situations where junior VCs see something they really like and they hop out of the firm and into a portfolio company to make them successful.  That&#039;s one way of making it to partner without ever having had &quot;checkbook&quot; experience (and making a little coin along the way faster than being a VC of course).  This road is heavily influenced by how much risk you&#039;re willing to take though.  If you fail, you may not get your VC position back and your risk exposure is to only one company (whereas at a VC firm, your exposure is to a portfolio of companies).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s another problem going on with the glass ceiling right now.  As I alluded to in a prior post, the funding of the VC and growth stage funds are just collapsing because of the situation a lot of LPs got themselves into with liquidity and in general with too much cash going into the asset class with too much money chasing too few good deals.  So, if the fund size isn&#039;t expanding (if not shrinking) and the senior partners of the firm aren&#039;t leaving, then where is a young up and comer to get their way to partner at a major firm?  This is where I&#039;ll agree with Chris a bit that sometimes it&#039;s better to join a bunch of senior junior principals that hop out and start their own VC firms that may not start top tier.  There&#039;s just a higher likelihood of making it into a partner position when you&#039;re at the firm early on.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last point is this.  As I pointed out earlier, networking, networking, networking is the way to get into VC (especially a good one).  While I appreciate the thought that it&#039;s better to get into a top tier VC fund, not everyone is fortunate enough to have access to getting into a top tier fund.  Sometimes, starting at a second tier fund is better from the standpoint that it&#039;s a better platform to do networking and finding out what&#039;s going on in a geographic region.  Much easier to talk to a brand name shop and network when you&#039;re from second tier VC rather than being joe schmoe off the street.  Maybe you&#039;re on boards of companies or speaking at panels where you can meet other VCs.  So, I don&#039;t think people should blow off opportunities at second tier shops.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the flip side, just be ready to take the calls for business plans for crap deals they&#039;re trying to salvage by getting more dumb money into their companies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve known people who were at very top tier shops that left because of that glass ceiling.  It&#39;s just always hard to figure out who helped a company do well&#8230; was it the partner or principal?  That being said, having sourced a deal gives the junior person a bit more credibility.  </p>
<p>One thing I&#39;ve also seen are situations where junior VCs see something they really like and they hop out of the firm and into a portfolio company to make them successful.  That&#39;s one way of making it to partner without ever having had &#8220;checkbook&#8221; experience (and making a little coin along the way faster than being a VC of course).  This road is heavily influenced by how much risk you&#39;re willing to take though.  If you fail, you may not get your VC position back and your risk exposure is to only one company (whereas at a VC firm, your exposure is to a portfolio of companies).  </p>
<p>There&#39;s another problem going on with the glass ceiling right now.  As I alluded to in a prior post, the funding of the VC and growth stage funds are just collapsing because of the situation a lot of LPs got themselves into with liquidity and in general with too much cash going into the asset class with too much money chasing too few good deals.  So, if the fund size isn&#39;t expanding (if not shrinking) and the senior partners of the firm aren&#39;t leaving, then where is a young up and comer to get their way to partner at a major firm?  This is where I&#39;ll agree with Chris a bit that sometimes it&#39;s better to join a bunch of senior junior principals that hop out and start their own VC firms that may not start top tier.  There&#39;s just a higher likelihood of making it into a partner position when you&#39;re at the firm early on.  </p>
<p>Last point is this.  As I pointed out earlier, networking, networking, networking is the way to get into VC (especially a good one).  While I appreciate the thought that it&#39;s better to get into a top tier VC fund, not everyone is fortunate enough to have access to getting into a top tier fund.  Sometimes, starting at a second tier fund is better from the standpoint that it&#39;s a better platform to do networking and finding out what&#39;s going on in a geographic region.  Much easier to talk to a brand name shop and network when you&#39;re from second tier VC rather than being joe schmoe off the street.  Maybe you&#39;re on boards of companies or speaking at panels where you can meet other VCs.  So, I don&#39;t think people should blow off opportunities at second tier shops.  </p>
<p>On the flip side, just be ready to take the calls for business plans for crap deals they&#39;re trying to salvage by getting more dumb money into their companies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: adventurista</title>
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		<dc:creator>adventurista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once blogged about our statistics at BVP for hiring a pre-MBA analyst:  Of the more than 650 resumes we received, we conducted 42 first-round interviews (~6%), seven second-round interviews (17% of the 42), and eventually extended one offer (14% of the seven, but 0.15% of resumes submitted!).  It&#039;s a crazy process, and qualities that stand out for a pre-MBA position are different than qualities that stand out for Associate positions.  Likewise, qualities for Associates are different than for Partners.  For example, for the pre-MBA role at Bessemer, we get excited when we see someone who has had advertising sales experience in the past.  I can&#039;t imagine a VC firm getting excited about that for a Partner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once blogged about our statistics at BVP for hiring a pre-MBA analyst:  Of the more than 650 resumes we received, we conducted 42 first-round interviews (~6%), seven second-round interviews (17% of the 42), and eventually extended one offer (14% of the seven, but 0.15% of resumes submitted!).  It&#39;s a crazy process, and qualities that stand out for a pre-MBA position are different than qualities that stand out for Associate positions.  Likewise, qualities for Associates are different than for Partners.  For example, for the pre-MBA role at Bessemer, we get excited when we see someone who has had advertising sales experience in the past.  I can&#39;t imagine a VC firm getting excited about that for a Partner!</p>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  Yeah, when I got my job in VC it was like a political campaign.  I had one partner tell me &quot;I&#039;ve heard your a great guy from 6 people&quot; - which wasn&#039;t an accident.  I had done so many free projects, favors etc for VCs and startup and then I asked them to make calls on my behalf.  It&#039;s brutal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  Yeah, when I got my job in VC it was like a political campaign.  I had one partner tell me &#8220;I&#39;ve heard your a great guy from 6 people&#8221; &#8211; which wasn&#39;t an accident.  I had done so many free projects, favors etc for VCs and startup and then I asked them to make calls on my behalf.  It&#39;s brutal.</p>
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		<title>By: msuster</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2009/09/08/getting-a-job-in-venture-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>msuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I&#039;m so glad you wrote this.  Everybody asks the question and now I&#039;ll just send them the link ;-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We recently hired an associated.  I got &gt; 700 resumes and I didn&#039;t even post that widely.  65 of them were of unreal quality in terms of education and job experience.  Undergrad: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Princeton, Yale &amp; MBA: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton.  Many had near perfect SATs and GMATs.  Many worked for Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, McKinsey or had worked in P/E or VC before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was UNREAL.  Not that you need these qualifications to be successful.  But when you&#039;re staring at 700 resumes (and we VCs don&#039;t have an HR department!) you need some way of filtering quickly.  In my process I also gave high street cred to CS undergrads - particularly from MIT or equivalent and for premier tech experience: Google, well-known startups or even one great candidate from Microsoft&#039;s Xbox group.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From the 65 we did 16 1-hour in-person interviews.  We short-listed 6 and did full day interviews including a presentation from the candidate analyzing a market.  They were given less than 1 week to prepare.  We finalized 3 that we took to dinner to check social fit.  We chose 1.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My point is ... the numbers are so daunting that anything &quot;standard&quot; won&#039;t work unless you already walk on water.  The people who &quot;sneaked into&quot; the process were a) great networkers b) great networkers and c) had other people contact me on their behalf (great networkers).  But if you don&#039;t have GREAT street cred already don&#039;t hassle the VCs.  Just accept that it isn&#039;t likely you&#039;ll get in without doing great things at a start-up first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#39;m so glad you wrote this.  Everybody asks the question and now I&#39;ll just send them the link <img src='http://cdixon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We recently hired an associated.  I got &gt; 700 resumes and I didn&#39;t even post that widely.  65 of them were of unreal quality in terms of education and job experience.  Undergrad: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Princeton, Yale &#038; MBA: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton.  Many had near perfect SATs and GMATs.  Many worked for Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, McKinsey or had worked in P/E or VC before.</p>
<p>It was UNREAL.  Not that you need these qualifications to be successful.  But when you&#39;re staring at 700 resumes (and we VCs don&#39;t have an HR department!) you need some way of filtering quickly.  In my process I also gave high street cred to CS undergrads &#8211; particularly from MIT or equivalent and for premier tech experience: Google, well-known startups or even one great candidate from Microsoft&#39;s Xbox group.</p>
<p>From the 65 we did 16 1-hour in-person interviews.  We short-listed 6 and did full day interviews including a presentation from the candidate analyzing a market.  They were given less than 1 week to prepare.  We finalized 3 that we took to dinner to check social fit.  We chose 1.</p>
<p>My point is &#8230; the numbers are so daunting that anything &#8220;standard&#8221; won&#39;t work unless you already walk on water.  The people who &#8220;sneaked into&#8221; the process were a) great networkers b) great networkers and c) had other people contact me on their behalf (great networkers).  But if you don&#39;t have GREAT street cred already don&#39;t hassle the VCs.  Just accept that it isn&#39;t likely you&#39;ll get in without doing great things at a start-up first.</p>
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		<title>By: msuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>msuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfectly written and completely spot-on comments.</description>
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