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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good test.  What&#039;s the best way to figure out what is CEO level (besides asking CEOs)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good test.  What&#39;s the best way to figure out what is CEO level (besides asking CEOs)?</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Giverts</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6836</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman Giverts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my mentors always asks &quot;is it a ceo level problem?&quot; i.e. are you solving something that the CEO of an enterprise is thinking about on a regular basis? If it is, then you have a chance of being one of the 1-3 solutions they buy that year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a surprisingly simple, yet very accurate test for the potential of any enterprise software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my mentors always asks &#8220;is it a ceo level problem?&#8221; i.e. are you solving something that the CEO of an enterprise is thinking about on a regular basis? If it is, then you have a chance of being one of the 1-3 solutions they buy that year.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a surprisingly simple, yet very accurate test for the potential of any enterprise software.</p>
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		<title>By: dantinpa</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6711</link>
		<dc:creator>dantinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree.  People will happily spend money to make make. I have found that sales leaders are the BEST possible prospects.  They are always looking for an edge, can sell it to get approved and can always fall back on the &quot;I need it to hit my numbers&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree.  People will happily spend money to make make. I have found that sales leaders are the BEST possible prospects.  They are always looking for an edge, can sell it to get approved and can always fall back on the &#8220;I need it to hit my numbers&#8221; argument.</p>
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		<title>By: dantinpa</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6712</link>
		<dc:creator>dantinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point in your post.  No matter how great the ROI on your product, how important is this relevant to other priorities in the prospect&#039;s business?  This is often the real &quot;competition&quot; - other initiatives that are more important than yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point in your post.  No matter how great the ROI on your product, how important is this relevant to other priorities in the prospect&#39;s business?  This is often the real &#8220;competition&#8221; &#8211; other initiatives that are more important than yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaniv Nizan</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6704</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaniv Nizan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Chris. One thing about the &quot;valley of death&quot; is that since SAAS model evolved it allowed companies to effectively sell (mostly by phone) products in the range of $5K-$100K and justify the cost of sales mainly due to the recurring nature of the revenue in SAAS. For example - you can buy 10 salesforce licenses at less than $10K (annualy) but the sell is still being done on the phone mostly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can read my take on channels - &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-resell-and-oem-how-to-choose-sales-and-marketing-distribution-model.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-res...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Chris. One thing about the &#8220;valley of death&#8221; is that since SAAS model evolved it allowed companies to effectively sell (mostly by phone) products in the range of $5K-$100K and justify the cost of sales mainly due to the recurring nature of the revenue in SAAS. For example &#8211; you can buy 10 salesforce licenses at less than $10K (annualy) but the sell is still being done on the phone mostly.</p>
<p>You can read my take on channels &#8211; <br /><a href="http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-resell-and-oem-how-to-choose-sales-and-marketing-distribution-model.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-res&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best examples of this is SolarWinds, whose network management software included a free version that has received this type of grass-roots adoption in the enterprise, and has in turn driven enough business to yield a $1.3 B market cap.  Not bad for a company whose revenues were only in the $30-40 M range just a few years ago.  Having client employees doing the sales for you shows up in the economics as well; I think you&#039;ll have trouble finding another SAAS company with 50% EBITDA margins on only ~$120 M revenues.  A truly remarkable success story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best examples of this is SolarWinds, whose network management software included a free version that has received this type of grass-roots adoption in the enterprise, and has in turn driven enough business to yield a $1.3 B market cap.  Not bad for a company whose revenues were only in the $30-40 M range just a few years ago.  Having client employees doing the sales for you shows up in the economics as well; I think you&#39;ll have trouble finding another SAAS company with 50% EBITDA margins on only ~$120 M revenues.  A truly remarkable success story.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaniv Nizan</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6703</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaniv Nizan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Chris. One thing about the &quot;valley of death&quot; is that since SAAS model evolved it allowed companies to effectively sell (mostly by phone) products in the range of $5K-$100K and justify the cost of sales mainly due to the recurring nature of the revenue in SAAS. For example - you can buy 10 salesforce licenses at less than $10K (annualy) but the sell is still being done on the phone mostly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can read my take on channels - &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-resell-and-oem-how-to-choose-sales-and-marketing-distribution-model.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-res...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Chris. One thing about the &#8220;valley of death&#8221; is that since SAAS model evolved it allowed companies to effectively sell (mostly by phone) products in the range of $5K-$100K and justify the cost of sales mainly due to the recurring nature of the revenue in SAAS. For example &#8211; you can buy 10 salesforce licenses at less than $10K (annualy) but the sell is still being done on the phone mostly.</p>
<p>You can read my take on channels &#8211; <br /><a href="http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-resell-and-oem-how-to-choose-sales-and-marketing-distribution-model.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.yanivnizan.com/2009/08/referrals-res&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: dbv</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6700</link>
		<dc:creator>dbv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ mark i larosa &amp; david (one day ago)&lt;br&gt;Yep, that&#039;s been my experience.  It really is rubbish to talk about an enterprise &#039;valley of death&#039; and that a product/service has to be priced in the six figures to get going.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Btw, my understanding was that the word &quot;enterprise&quot; had evolved to include any organization - for-profit, non-profit, government, startup to smb to large corporations.  Could be wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mark i larosa &#038; david (one day ago)<br />Yep, that&#39;s been my experience.  It really is rubbish to talk about an enterprise &#39;valley of death&#39; and that a product/service has to be priced in the six figures to get going.</p>
<p>Btw, my understanding was that the word &#8220;enterprise&#8221; had evolved to include any organization &#8211; for-profit, non-profit, government, startup to smb to large corporations.  Could be wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6699</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another couple of truisms from the Trilogy world: &lt;br&gt;1. if your product requires culture change, the price has to be high enough that important people lose their jobs if it fails.  You want heads to roll and not just your own software. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. you&#039;d rather have a small number of very profitable deals at very high price points for exactly the reason @cdixon mentioned: companies only buy their top 2-3 priorities each year - when you find yourself being in the top 3 for a company, you want to capture as much revenue as possible.  The higher margins allow you to reinvest in your product. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. you have to tackle something difficult and valuable (both) to defend your price-point. Its easy to find difficult problems with no value, and its easy to find valuable problems with lots of solutions or lack of difficulty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another couple of truisms from the Trilogy world: <br />1. if your product requires culture change, the price has to be high enough that important people lose their jobs if it fails.  You want heads to roll and not just your own software. </p>
<p>2. you&#39;d rather have a small number of very profitable deals at very high price points for exactly the reason @cdixon mentioned: companies only buy their top 2-3 priorities each year &#8211; when you find yourself being in the top 3 for a company, you want to capture as much revenue as possible.  The higher margins allow you to reinvest in your product. </p>
<p>3. you have to tackle something difficult and valuable (both) to defend your price-point. Its easy to find difficult problems with no value, and its easy to find valuable problems with lots of solutions or lack of difficulty.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Ahlin</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6698</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Ahlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or ... reduce cost of sales. Now, a few precentages won&#039;t make a difference, you will have to rethink how you sell completely. I like the concepts around sales 2.0 (even if I am not so fond of the name itself). Patrik von Bergen concluded the main points in a few slides here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yd3y282&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yd3y282&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or &#8230; reduce cost of sales. Now, a few precentages won&#39;t make a difference, you will have to rethink how you sell completely. I like the concepts around sales 2.0 (even if I am not so fond of the name itself). Patrik von Bergen concluded the main points in a few slides here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yd3y282" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yd3y282</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quickthink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Look at Enterprise Sales</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6697</link>
		<dc:creator>Quickthink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Look at Enterprise Sales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post the other day about selling new software products to &#8220;enterprises&#8221;. The big boys. Here is the link. He makes several good points. If your firm is going to invest heavily in developing these kinds of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post the other day about selling new software products to &#8220;enterprises&#8221;. The big boys. Here is the link. He makes several good points. If your firm is going to invest heavily in developing these kinds of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: henryyates</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6696</link>
		<dc:creator>henryyates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post &amp; comments, thank you. I would love to hear your thoughts on developing a channel strategy. So often partnerships look great on paper and deliver very little. I realise there are so many variables, however, what are the top few things which you would try to get right to give a partnership the best chance of delivering sales?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post &#038; comments, thank you. I would love to hear your thoughts on developing a channel strategy. So often partnerships look great on paper and deliver very little. I realise there are so many variables, however, what are the top few things which you would try to get right to give a partnership the best chance of delivering sales?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with this - $500k to a large company is often easier to secure than $5,000 from a small company.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Depending on the solution, the sales cycle is often the same length - if you are investing months in securing new logos, the focus points should be clear - again, depending on your objectives - if early on, you need to build your reference base out quickly. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll then dis-agree with myself straight away! and refer back to my previous point - re &lt;a href=&quot;http://Sf.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sf.com&lt;/a&gt; and rightnow, both landing and expanding successfully..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with this &#8211; $500k to a large company is often easier to secure than $5,000 from a small company.</p>
<p>Depending on the solution, the sales cycle is often the same length &#8211; if you are investing months in securing new logos, the focus points should be clear &#8211; again, depending on your objectives &#8211; if early on, you need to build your reference base out quickly. </p>
<p>I&#39;ll then dis-agree with myself straight away! and refer back to my previous point &#8211; re <a href="http://Sf.com" rel="nofollow">Sf.com</a> and rightnow, both landing and expanding successfully..</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Walsh</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6692</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its also important to note &quot;nice to have&quot; versus &quot;need to have solutions&quot;.  Is this something you could do with out our something that will stop us doing business - ie compliance solutions or Payment processing. If your company cant do without these, then price point is less relevant (you still don&#039;t want an enterprise sales person selling 5k solutions).  An example in the UK right now is PCI Compliance - Payment Card processing for regulated businesses.  If you are not PCI compliant, then the banks can withdraw your capability to accept payments.  This is a big problem for Contact Centres and many other environments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its also important to note &#8220;nice to have&#8221; versus &#8220;need to have solutions&#8221;.  Is this something you could do with out our something that will stop us doing business &#8211; ie compliance solutions or Payment processing. If your company cant do without these, then price point is less relevant (you still don&#39;t want an enterprise sales person selling 5k solutions).  An example in the UK right now is PCI Compliance &#8211; Payment Card processing for regulated businesses.  If you are not PCI compliant, then the banks can withdraw your capability to accept payments.  This is a big problem for Contact Centres and many other environments.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaaS is interesting, and often good at breaking the departments down or as &lt;a href=&quot;http://sf.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sf.com&lt;/a&gt; like to call it - &quot;land &amp; expand&quot;  Once you have enough departments, say 3 - with 2 or more in the pipeline, you can talk to the enterprise upsell or longer term commitment.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also find that the SaaS approach is good at eliminating some of the buy in you may need from busy or non supportive stakeholders - however proceed with caution, rogue departments rarely win, you may get a short term win, but it may not support yo in the long term unless you can build momentum in other departments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaaS is interesting, and often good at breaking the departments down or as <a href="http://sf.com" rel="nofollow">sf.com</a> like to call it &#8211; &#8220;land &#038; expand&#8221;  Once you have enough departments, say 3 &#8211; with 2 or more in the pipeline, you can talk to the enterprise upsell or longer term commitment.  </p>
<p>I also find that the SaaS approach is good at eliminating some of the buy in you may need from busy or non supportive stakeholders &#8211; however proceed with caution, rogue departments rarely win, you may get a short term win, but it may not support yo in the long term unless you can build momentum in other departments.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s the price point that defines the &quot;valley of death,&quot; but the scalability of the sale. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve seen companies get traction in enterprises by selling (or giving away) a few seats. Then a few months later, they sell ten thousand seats at $50 each to the same customer with little incremental effort. The key thing was that it *made sense* for the enterprise to buy a few seats and try things out; the application worked in that mode just fine. Then it was easy to just sell more seats for a slightly discounted price. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is just one pattern that can work.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Adwords is one more positive example. It&#039;s easy/cheap to try. And it&#039;s easy to scale up the spend as ROI is proven. The model scales up nicely. This is great for a new, unproven product type.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are anti-patterns too:&lt;br&gt;There isn&#039;t a clear path to scale small initial sales up to larger revenue figures, but the effort to sell is high and you have a new kind of product that is unproven. Each sale is a loss, and you get clobbered with support costs to make the customer happy and prove success. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I imagine that CRM sales were a bitch when CRM was a new product.: Everyone in an org. has to buy in and it&#039;s hard to try things out on a small scale. Now that this is an established category with &quot;must have&quot; status in large organizations, things are more tolerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not sure it&#39;s the price point that defines the &#8220;valley of death,&#8221; but the scalability of the sale. </p>
<p>I&#39;ve seen companies get traction in enterprises by selling (or giving away) a few seats. Then a few months later, they sell ten thousand seats at $50 each to the same customer with little incremental effort. The key thing was that it *made sense* for the enterprise to buy a few seats and try things out; the application worked in that mode just fine. Then it was easy to just sell more seats for a slightly discounted price. </p>
<p>This is just one pattern that can work.  </p>
<p>Adwords is one more positive example. It&#39;s easy/cheap to try. And it&#39;s easy to scale up the spend as ROI is proven. The model scales up nicely. This is great for a new, unproven product type.</p>
<p>There are anti-patterns too:<br />There isn&#39;t a clear path to scale small initial sales up to larger revenue figures, but the effort to sell is high and you have a new kind of product that is unproven. Each sale is a loss, and you get clobbered with support costs to make the customer happy and prove success. </p>
<p>I imagine that CRM sales were a bitch when CRM was a new product.: Everyone in an org. has to buy in and it&#39;s hard to try things out on a small scale. Now that this is an established category with &#8220;must have&#8221; status in large organizations, things are more tolerable.</p>
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		<title>By: dave kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word enterprise, to my knowledge, was an IBM creation in the late 1970s / early 1980s design to include both &quot;corporations&quot; and &quot;government.&quot;  Mystery resolved.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  Another useful &quot;rule of thumb&quot; metric is that 90+% of the IT budget is used to pay for &quot;keeping the lights on&quot; (keeping existing stuff running/maintained/etc) and 10% is for &quot;new projects.&quot;  This is where the &quot;3 purchases&quot; derives from.</description>
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		<title>By: Selling to enterprises &#124; Igniting Startups - nPost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selling to enterprises &#124; Igniting Startups - nPost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark I LaRosa</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6682</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark I LaRosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly have a lot of respect for the people commenting in the article, but having done start-up sales to enterprises for 20 years, I cringe when I hear people equate enterprise sales to $100k and above.  Actually, it is the well-held beliefs in this article that I sell around, and why I&#039;ve managed to get a lot of enterprise sales for small companies.  I say this not to toot my own horn, but to crush the beliefs held that stop great products from being sold into the right places.  Great salespeople can make anything happen, and I&#039;ve worked with a lot of great ones.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, corporations buy significantly more than 1-3 new enterprise products in a year, and there is plenty of room to sell your solution into that. What do you need to do?  You need to find the pockets of budget and justification in order to get your solution in.  Then, you need to include an upsell path to get that project in a larger way.  That may be the user adoption method that is descriped in some of the comments, but there are many, many other ways to do it.  I recently wrote a post touching on this:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quotacrush.com/index.php/2009/12/10/your-start-up-sales-strategy-must-include-an-up-sell/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.quotacrush.com/index.php/2009/12/10/...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, Your product does NOT... I repeat NOT... need to be on their priority list to be considered.  In fact, when you go after the RFP, committee decision projects, you will more often face death (as Chris alludes to).  Find the off the path solutions that you fix, and there will be budget and there will be an easier decision path.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Third, it is absolute fiction to believe that unless your product is a six figure product, you can&#039;t do direct sales/enterprise sales profitably.  I&#039;ve, over and over again, done the successful route with a moderately priced product.  The comp plan needs to be designed correctly, the travel considered, and all the other costs brought into play, but when you consider a software product, built for easy customization and integration (or requires no integration), that requires little on-site selling, there is no reason that it can&#039;t sell for less than $100,000 and be profitable for the company.  And, if you can sell on volume (and combine with some channel/biz dev deals as Chris alludes to), it certainly can be done.  I&#039;m not saying this is easy... but give me a &quot;valley of death / push a string&quot; challenge any day because at that price point, its an easier sell into corporations, and, as evidenced by the comments in this post, a lot of people run away from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly have a lot of respect for the people commenting in the article, but having done start-up sales to enterprises for 20 years, I cringe when I hear people equate enterprise sales to $100k and above.  Actually, it is the well-held beliefs in this article that I sell around, and why I&#39;ve managed to get a lot of enterprise sales for small companies.  I say this not to toot my own horn, but to crush the beliefs held that stop great products from being sold into the right places.  Great salespeople can make anything happen, and I&#39;ve worked with a lot of great ones.</p>
<p>First, corporations buy significantly more than 1-3 new enterprise products in a year, and there is plenty of room to sell your solution into that. What do you need to do?  You need to find the pockets of budget and justification in order to get your solution in.  Then, you need to include an upsell path to get that project in a larger way.  That may be the user adoption method that is descriped in some of the comments, but there are many, many other ways to do it.  I recently wrote a post touching on this:  <a href="http://www.quotacrush.com/index.php/2009/12/10/your-start-up-sales-strategy-must-include-an-up-sell/" rel="nofollow">http://www.quotacrush.com/index.php/2009/12/10/&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Second, Your product does NOT&#8230; I repeat NOT&#8230; need to be on their priority list to be considered.  In fact, when you go after the RFP, committee decision projects, you will more often face death (as Chris alludes to).  Find the off the path solutions that you fix, and there will be budget and there will be an easier decision path.</p>
<p>Third, it is absolute fiction to believe that unless your product is a six figure product, you can&#39;t do direct sales/enterprise sales profitably.  I&#39;ve, over and over again, done the successful route with a moderately priced product.  The comp plan needs to be designed correctly, the travel considered, and all the other costs brought into play, but when you consider a software product, built for easy customization and integration (or requires no integration), that requires little on-site selling, there is no reason that it can&#39;t sell for less than $100,000 and be profitable for the company.  And, if you can sell on volume (and combine with some channel/biz dev deals as Chris alludes to), it certainly can be done.  I&#39;m not saying this is easy&#8230; but give me a &#8220;valley of death / push a string&#8221; challenge any day because at that price point, its an easier sell into corporations, and, as evidenced by the comments in this post, a lot of people run away from.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6680</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my dealings with enterprise software services, our companies had much better success avoiding IT until absolutely necessary.  It was critical to build up operating level support for the product and *then* go to IT.  If you started with IT, you hit the black tar pits, wasted time and money struggling to get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my dealings with enterprise software services, our companies had much better success avoiding IT until absolutely necessary.  It was critical to build up operating level support for the product and *then* go to IT.  If you started with IT, you hit the black tar pits, wasted time and money struggling to get out.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul_Lieberman</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6675</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul_Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a big fan of Marc Andreessen&#039;s &quot;Moby Dick theory of big companies&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://pmarca-archive.posterous.com/the-pmarca-guide-to-startups-part-5-the-moby&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pmarca-archive.posterous.com/the-pmarca-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;(and a big fan of Chris too!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big fan of Marc Andreessen&#39;s &#8220;Moby Dick theory of big companies&#8221;<br /><a href="http://pmarca-archive.posterous.com/the-pmarca-guide-to-startups-part-5-the-moby" rel="nofollow">http://pmarca-archive.posterous.com/the-pmarca-&#8230;</a><br />(and a big fan of Chris too!)</p>
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		<title>By: Knowtu &#187; links for 2010-02-07</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6676</link>
		<dc:creator>Knowtu &#187; links for 2010-02-07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mcenedella</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6672</link>
		<dc:creator>mcenedella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a language geek :)</description>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was being a bit irreverent/snary but interesting to know actual origins.</description>
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		<title>By: mcenedella</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6670</link>
		<dc:creator>mcenedella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I think Gartner came up with the term &#039;Enterprise&#039; in 1990:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resourc...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my career, I first heard it applied to ERP software, then gradually it came to be applied to any software of that scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I think Gartner came up with the term &#39;Enterprise&#39; in 1990:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resourc&#8230;</a></p>
<p>In my career, I first heard it applied to ERP software, then gradually it came to be applied to any software of that scale.</p>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6668</link>
		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  I&#039;m not really rediscovering it.  It&#039;s an old adage in the business.  (And Spolsky is very smart - I&#039;ve linked to his posts many times)  Just the first time I&#039;ve blogged about enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  I&#39;m not really rediscovering it.  It&#39;s an old adage in the business.  (And Spolsky is very smart &#8211; I&#39;ve linked to his posts many times)  Just the first time I&#39;ve blogged about enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great that you posted on this. It&#039;s not fashionable or hip to talk about the enterprise market but its still a huge one. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My 1st startup was in this market. It was a tough go for many of the reasons you mentioned (in fact 10 years later they are still trying to make a go of it).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Building a direct sales team is expensive. And very hit or miss. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I now work almost exclusively with web services companies. And for the ones targeting business users, we use a back door or &quot;maverick&quot; sales approach. We let individual users who want new stuff to bring us in. When we have enough individual users in one company or department we can then approach (or get approached by the controller) about volume pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great that you posted on this. It&#39;s not fashionable or hip to talk about the enterprise market but its still a huge one. </p>
<p>My 1st startup was in this market. It was a tough go for many of the reasons you mentioned (in fact 10 years later they are still trying to make a go of it).</p>
<p>Building a direct sales team is expensive. And very hit or miss. </p>
<p>I now work almost exclusively with web services companies. And for the ones targeting business users, we use a back door or &#8220;maverick&#8221; sales approach. We let individual users who want new stuff to bring us in. When we have enough individual users in one company or department we can then approach (or get approached by the controller) about volume pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: stephan_schmidt</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6665</link>
		<dc:creator>stephan_schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the valley of death from my experience.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://codemonkeyism.com/6-reasons-why-my-vc-funded-startup-did-fail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://codemonkeyism.com/6-reasons-why-my-vc-fu...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We tried to sell enterprise software, our main problem was missing sales (duh!) and the very long sales time of several months. Companies do not buy enterprise software with a decision time of a week.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers&lt;br&gt;Stephan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the valley of death from my experience.</p>
<p><a href="http://codemonkeyism.com/6-reasons-why-my-vc-funded-startup-did-fail/" rel="nofollow">http://codemonkeyism.com/6-reasons-why-my-vc-fu&#8230;</a></p>
<p>We tried to sell enterprise software, our main problem was missing sales (duh!) and the very long sales time of several months. Companies do not buy enterprise software with a decision time of a week.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />Stephan</p>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6663</link>
		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that&#039;s an old saying, but in reality aren&#039;t vitamins a bigger &amp; better business than OTC pain killers?</description>
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		<title>By: Burgher Jon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6660</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgher Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to be a little careful though.  If a product has too low of an entry point, you won&#039;t have the right executive sponsorship.  The model&#039;s fine for a tool like SalesForce that one salesman can pick up make use of and spread.  However, it&#039;s not as good for a piece of monitoring software that isn&#039;t effective until most of the servers in the environment are using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be a little careful though.  If a product has too low of an entry point, you won&#39;t have the right executive sponsorship.  The model&#39;s fine for a tool like SalesForce that one salesman can pick up make use of and spread.  However, it&#39;s not as good for a piece of monitoring software that isn&#39;t effective until most of the servers in the environment are using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgher Jon</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6662</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgher Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way that my current company (an enterprise play) has made some headway is by using services bundled with products.  It helps as you mature the products, a good service team not only provides value (and puts your price out of the &quot;dead zone&quot; if it wasn&#039;t already), it also helps to smooth the rapid rate at which startups tend to need to release new software.  The services team can increase usability in the face of a lack of proper training and user documentation that sometimes accompanies new products.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not big enough to support a services arm or don&#039;t want to?  Find a good services company to become a channel partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way that my current company (an enterprise play) has made some headway is by using services bundled with products.  It helps as you mature the products, a good service team not only provides value (and puts your price out of the &#8220;dead zone&#8221; if it wasn&#39;t already), it also helps to smooth the rapid rate at which startups tend to need to release new software.  The services team can increase usability in the face of a lack of proper training and user documentation that sometimes accompanies new products.</p>
<p>Not big enough to support a services arm or don&#39;t want to?  Find a good services company to become a channel partner.</p>
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		<title>By: jseliger</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6661</link>
		<dc:creator>jseliger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Joel Spolsky wrote about this stuff in his essay on pricing: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/CamelsandRubberDuckies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Camelsan...&lt;/a&gt; : &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Notice the gap? There&#039;s no software priced between $1000 and $75,000. I&#039;ll tell you why. The minute you charge more than $1000 you need to get serious corporate signoffs. You need a line item in their budget. You need purchasing managers and CEO approval and competitive bids and paperwork. So you need to send a salesperson out to the customer to do PowerPoint, with his airfare, golf course memberships, and $19.95 porn movies at the Ritz Carlton.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, there&#039;s a natural price delta between end-user software and &quot;enterprise,&quot; or whatever you want to call it, software. People seem to keep rediscovering this over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Joel Spolsky wrote about this stuff in his essay on pricing: <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/CamelsandRubberDuckies.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Camelsan&#8230;</a> : </p>
<blockquote><p>Notice the gap? There&#39;s no software priced between $1000 and $75,000. I&#39;ll tell you why. The minute you charge more than $1000 you need to get serious corporate signoffs. You need a line item in their budget. You need purchasing managers and CEO approval and competitive bids and paperwork. So you need to send a salesperson out to the customer to do PowerPoint, with his airfare, golf course memberships, and $19.95 porn movies at the Ritz Carlton.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, there&#39;s a natural price delta between end-user software and &#8220;enterprise,&#8221; or whatever you want to call it, software. People seem to keep rediscovering this over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: giffc</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6650</link>
		<dc:creator>giffc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great comment bob -- I had been thinking about the SAP/i2/Siebel/Trilogy world of bigger applications installed in the data center. I liked your note about support emails, and totally agree that you need to prevent sales conflicts.  I do think that taking this kind of strategy has become MUCH easier in the era of SaaS and LAMP, and many enterprises are finally getting over fears here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great comment bob &#8212; I had been thinking about the SAP/i2/Siebel/Trilogy world of bigger applications installed in the data center. I liked your note about support emails, and totally agree that you need to prevent sales conflicts.  I do think that taking this kind of strategy has become MUCH easier in the era of SaaS and LAMP, and many enterprises are finally getting over fears here.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Selland</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6654</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Selland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that was the presentation - it wasn&#039;t an apples-to-apples comparison because Joe was primarily talking about reviving unprofitable enterprise software companies (specifically the ones Trilogy had acquired) and he didn&#039;t specifically reference &#039;the Valley&#039;.  However the fundamental point was that a deal &lt;$250K sold via traditional outside sales was unprofitable.  If I recall, $1M potential was his threshold for dedicating a team to a deal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes, the product certainly needs to fit the sales model - but if it doesn&#039;t then either the selling model needs to change, or the product does.  giffc makes a good point above about the SaaS model playing a big role in that change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that was the presentation &#8211; it wasn&#39;t an apples-to-apples comparison because Joe was primarily talking about reviving unprofitable enterprise software companies (specifically the ones Trilogy had acquired) and he didn&#39;t specifically reference &#39;the Valley&#39;.  However the fundamental point was that a deal &lt;$250K sold via traditional outside sales was unprofitable.  If I recall, $1M potential was his threshold for dedicating a team to a deal.</p>
<p>And yes, the product certainly needs to fit the sales model &#8211; but if it doesn&#39;t then either the selling model needs to change, or the product does.  giffc makes a good point above about the SaaS model playing a big role in that change.</p>
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		<title>By: giffc</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6649</link>
		<dc:creator>giffc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As David said, tons of examples. I hear this is working very effectively for google as they try to push adoption of Apps. Yammer is another interesting example (I happen to think it&#039;s a great tool for distributed startups)</description>
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		<title>By: John Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The VAR channel is a nice way to handle the &#039;small deal&#039; / valley of death issue as well, particularly if the sale is of an enterprise product that usually requires some level of customization or configuration.  The VARs will take these small deals all day and will be able to make a nice business out of it whereas it might not be profitable for the vendor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The VAR channel is a nice way to handle the &#39;small deal&#39; / valley of death issue as well, particularly if the sale is of an enterprise product that usually requires some level of customization or configuration.  The VARs will take these small deals all day and will be able to make a nice business out of it whereas it might not be profitable for the vendor.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happens often in the quick-service (e.g., McDonalds, Wendy&#039;s, etc.) point-of-sale.  There will be a number of corporate stores and a number of franchise owned stores.  Corp starts evaluating solutions which is often a long (1+ year) process because there are many people involved in the buying decision.  In the meantime, the leaner franchise groups pick a solution and deploys it.  If they&#039;re happy they tell other franchises and they deploy.  Eventually corp decides to standardize on the solution because it works well in production for the franchises...it&#039;s a proven product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happens often in the quick-service (e.g., McDonalds, Wendy&#39;s, etc.) point-of-sale.  There will be a number of corporate stores and a number of franchise owned stores.  Corp starts evaluating solutions which is often a long (1+ year) process because there are many people involved in the buying decision.  In the meantime, the leaner franchise groups pick a solution and deploys it.  If they&#39;re happy they tell other franchises and they deploy.  Eventually corp decides to standardize on the solution because it works well in production for the franchises&#8230;it&#39;s a proven product.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cuthrell</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6659</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Cuthrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to take this from SMB -&gt; SME -&gt; Enterprise -&gt; Carrier you simply add another 0 on the end of whatever number you have in mind.  The 0 stratifies to a subset of telecommunications providers or the core infrastructure teams (horizontal) within the largest of Enterprise segments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, in a Carrier grade/space solution you&#039;ll want to avoid ever referencing the Enterprise space in anything other than the toehold against how you set up your pricing model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to take this from SMB -&gt; SME -&gt; Enterprise -&gt; Carrier you simply add another 0 on the end of whatever number you have in mind.  The 0 stratifies to a subset of telecommunications providers or the core infrastructure teams (horizontal) within the largest of Enterprise segments.</p>
<p>That said, in a Carrier grade/space solution you&#39;ll want to avoid ever referencing the Enterprise space in anything other than the toehold against how you set up your pricing model.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw the same preso (were you at the HCP sales 2.0 conference?) from Joe L. as well.  They have an interesting business model at Trilogy, and there are plenty of walking dead software companies out there to make it work.  BTW I think (maybe I misheard) that he had said the valley actually went up all the way to $1MM. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Re: your comment on inside sales, clearly you can get some great efficiencies if you can build that kind of machine.  However I would also add that products that will sell well as inside sales need to be designed for that kind of sales model.  In other words, if you are selling a behemoth enterprise software package that crosses multiple IT siloes and takes $400k of consulting to implement, it will be very tough to sell via inside sales only.  However, take an easily downloadable software tool that has a quick time to value, with a low pricepoint, and maybe you have a good fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the same preso (were you at the HCP sales 2.0 conference?) from Joe L. as well.  They have an interesting business model at Trilogy, and there are plenty of walking dead software companies out there to make it work.  BTW I think (maybe I misheard) that he had said the valley actually went up all the way to $1MM. </p>
<p>Re: your comment on inside sales, clearly you can get some great efficiencies if you can build that kind of machine.  However I would also add that products that will sell well as inside sales need to be designed for that kind of sales model.  In other words, if you are selling a behemoth enterprise software package that crosses multiple IT siloes and takes $400k of consulting to implement, it will be very tough to sell via inside sales only.  However, take an easily downloadable software tool that has a quick time to value, with a low pricepoint, and maybe you have a good fit.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with selling bottom line products is that you have to build a compelling ROI justification, and in enterprise IT, that justification is almost always HEAVILY based on soft costs (OPEX).  These are the costs that are hardest to quantify and usually the ones that are most controversial/political from a customer perspective-because often they are tied to labor costs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Someone mentioned VMware before as a great example of network effects within enterprise sales models, but I actually think they are an even better example (full disclosure: I worked there from 2003-2006 so I am a bit of a fan boy) of what kind of bottom line products sell.  VMware&#039;s ROI business case was a slam dunk-buy our stuff and you can massively reduce your IT CAPEX over the next several years.  OPEX reduction was just the gravy on top, and even if the customer thought the OPEX numbers were inaccurate, the CAPEX savings was so clearcut that it didn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with selling bottom line products is that you have to build a compelling ROI justification, and in enterprise IT, that justification is almost always HEAVILY based on soft costs (OPEX).  These are the costs that are hardest to quantify and usually the ones that are most controversial/political from a customer perspective-because often they are tied to labor costs.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned VMware before as a great example of network effects within enterprise sales models, but I actually think they are an even better example (full disclosure: I worked there from 2003-2006 so I am a bit of a fan boy) of what kind of bottom line products sell.  VMware&#39;s ROI business case was a slam dunk-buy our stuff and you can massively reduce your IT CAPEX over the next several years.  OPEX reduction was just the gravy on top, and even if the customer thought the OPEX numbers were inaccurate, the CAPEX savings was so clearcut that it didn&#39;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: rafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>rafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having done a LOT of enterprise work, the Valley of Death is a VC-specific perspective. Paul, Louis, et al, do a nice job of addressing how the valley is shrinking with SaaS and modern sales management, but that&#039;s only half the issue. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can easily be breakeven at almost anywhere along at price scale -- and always could -- unless you are also trying to grow rapidly enough to create VC-scale returns. If you take institutional funding and have too low a price point, you become VC living dead. And that&#039;s their worst scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having done a LOT of enterprise work, the Valley of Death is a VC-specific perspective. Paul, Louis, et al, do a nice job of addressing how the valley is shrinking with SaaS and modern sales management, but that&#39;s only half the issue. </p>
<p>You can easily be breakeven at almost anywhere along at price scale &#8212; and always could &#8212; unless you are also trying to grow rapidly enough to create VC-scale returns. If you take institutional funding and have too low a price point, you become VC living dead. And that&#39;s their worst scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronklein</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaronklein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true, but margin is margin. I always like adding sales volume, but if I can cut costs and increase my advantage over competitors, I can invest in more salespeople to add sales volume.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vitamins don&#039;t sell as well because the absence of getting sick is difficult to detect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s true, but margin is margin. I always like adding sales volume, but if I can cut costs and increase my advantage over competitors, I can invest in more salespeople to add sales volume.</p>
<p>Vitamins don&#39;t sell as well because the absence of getting sick is difficult to detect.</p>
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		<title>By: bob pasker</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6656</link>
		<dc:creator>bob pasker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll find many enterprise companies have a fiscal year that ends 31-January, just to put them out of sync with their customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ll find many enterprise companies have a fiscal year that ends 31-January, just to put them out of sync with their customers.</p>
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		<title>By: bob pasker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob pasker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another saying (in reference to competition) is: &quot;buy for parity, build for advantage.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I would argue that many enterprise customers will buy from a startup for advantage, because they know their competitors are buying older, often last generation, products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another saying (in reference to competition) is: &#8220;buy for parity, build for advantage.&#8221; </p>
<p>But I would argue that many enterprise customers will buy from a startup for advantage, because they know their competitors are buying older, often last generation, products.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry</title>
		<link>http://cdixon.org/2010/02/06/selling-to-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-6647</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve sold enterprise products, above, below and inside the &quot;valley of death&quot;, and I&#039;d say you&#039;re absolutely right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would add a couple things:&lt;br&gt;- in my experience, what is a &quot;top priority&quot; is not what you would think out of hand; this is where a great salesperson is a tremendous advantage; unlike what many people think, sales aren&#039;t about pitching, they&#039;re about *listening*; what makes a great salesman isn&#039;t delivering a great pitch, it&#039;s *identifying the other person&#039;s needs*; selling an enterprise product is therefore all about finding these opportunities.&lt;br&gt;- outside of being a &quot;top priority&quot;, there&#039;s another class of enterprise product that sells: products that directly add to the top line or the bottom line; of course everyone packages their product as saving money or making money, but if you can make a credible case that your product does so directly, you&#039;re 90% of the way there. Of course such products are rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve sold enterprise products, above, below and inside the &#8220;valley of death&#8221;, and I&#39;d say you&#39;re absolutely right.</p>
<p>I would add a couple things:<br />- in my experience, what is a &#8220;top priority&#8221; is not what you would think out of hand; this is where a great salesperson is a tremendous advantage; unlike what many people think, sales aren&#39;t about pitching, they&#39;re about *listening*; what makes a great salesman isn&#39;t delivering a great pitch, it&#39;s *identifying the other person&#39;s needs*; selling an enterprise product is therefore all about finding these opportunities.<br />- outside of being a &#8220;top priority&#8221;, there&#39;s another class of enterprise product that sells: products that directly add to the top line or the bottom line; of course everyone packages their product as saving money or making money, but if you can make a credible case that your product does so directly, you&#39;re 90% of the way there. Of course such products are rare.</p>
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		<title>By: bob pasker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob pasker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course this kind of company existed before SaaS: beginning in 1996, WebLogic, Inc. (pre-BEA) sold at the developer/project level and moved up the food chain till we got 7-figure deals. Some people even bought our products on their person credit cards.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the best source of leads was not the sign-ups, but support email. people would download the 30-day trial off our website, then asking questions on the support list. Based on the questions, we knew who was using and who was not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course this kind of company existed before SaaS: beginning in 1996, WebLogic, Inc. (pre-BEA) sold at the developer/project level and moved up the food chain till we got 7-figure deals. Some people even bought our products on their person credit cards.</p>
<p>And the best source of leads was not the sign-ups, but support email. people would download the 30-day trial off our website, then asking questions on the support list. Based on the questions, we knew who was using and who was not.</p>
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		<title>By: bob pasker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob pasker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, its easier to sell aspirin that it is to sell vitamins</description>
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		<title>By: aaronklein</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaronklein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have personal experience that you&#039;re exactly right. For some reason, products that can add 10% to revenues get 2X or 3X the notice over products that can cut costs 15%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have personal experience that you&#39;re exactly right. For some reason, products that can add 10% to revenues get 2X or 3X the notice over products that can cut costs 15%.</p>
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		<title>By: amontalenti</title>
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		<dc:creator>amontalenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great example of a company that does its sales primarily to employees but then goes for &quot;enterprise-wide adoption&quot; afterwards is Rally Software.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At a firm I worked, my team started using their free trial (10 employees or fewer) without any corporate buy-in.  After we outgrew the trial, the employees who started it on my team had to justify the tool&#039;s cost based on our experience with the 10-person trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great example of a company that does its sales primarily to employees but then goes for &#8220;enterprise-wide adoption&#8221; afterwards is Rally Software.</p>
<p>At a firm I worked, my team started using their free trial (10 employees or fewer) without any corporate buy-in.  After we outgrew the trial, the employees who started it on my team had to justify the tool&#39;s cost based on our experience with the 10-person trial.</p>
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