Chris Dixon

Revenue vs margin

Three years ago, Fred Wilson wrote a great blog post called When Talking About Business Models, Remember that Profits Equal Revenues Minus Costs. The point he made was both simple and profound. The simple part is summed up in the post’s title[1]. The profound part is that high growth, early-stage tech companies often have a choice about how to become exceptionally valuable businesses: they can focus on growing revenues at the expense of margins, or margins at the expense of revenues.

Most recent successful tech companies seem to have chosen the former: growing revenues at the expense of margins. Again and again, we see S-1 filings with revenues growing rapidly but profit margins that are low to negative. The same is true for the rumored financials of private companies. I think I understand why they made this choice, but wonder if it was a mistake.

To understand why these companies made this choice, you need to look at their formative stages. Many of them raised money from VC’s at multi-hundred-million to multi-billion dollar valuations, often before the companies were profitable or had even settled on a business model. In most cases, the companies and investors were acting reasonably[2]. But the end results might have been to unwittingly commit themselves to revenue over margin growth.

Why? Money has its own inertia and somehow always seems to get spent. Some of this spending is reasonable and even necessary (infrastructure, defensive expansion to international markets). But then there are harder choices. For example, do you invest heavily in sales and marketing to grow your revenue faster? Do you stay open and try to become a platform and therefore force yourself to experiment with new business models? Or do you become closed to “own the user” and therefore benefit from existing business models like advertising? Fast revenue growth seems to be the best way to justify your valuation. But the next thing you know you have a high cost structure that requires you to raise even more money and grow revenue even faster.

The root cause here is a deeply held belief throughout the business world that exceptional revenue growth is more likely than exceptional margins. For example, if you talk to professional public market investors and analysts you’ll often hear statements like “that’s a low margin industry” – implying that every industry has “natural” profit margins which companies can only defy for short periods of time. This belief is also reflected in public market valuations for recent tech IPOs: companies like Groupon that put revenue over margins command very healthy valuations.

The problem is that this deeply held belief in “revenue exceptionalism” over “margin exceptionalism” is a hangover from the industrial era. Unlike industrial era companies, information businesses tend to be deflationary, shrinking the overall revenue of an industry. They also tend to have network effects (and complementary network effects), making them more defensible and therefore higher margin than non tech businesses. Given this, why do companies continue seeking revenue at the expense of margins? Fred made this same point in his original post, but people didn’t seem to listen.

 

[1] Companies (like all cash generating assets) are ultimately valued at a multiple of present and projected future profits. The historical average P/E ratio of the DJIA is about 15, meaning that (on average) if a company is generating $100M in profit, it is valued at $1.5B (Fred prefers to use a 10 multiple, perhaps to be conservative?). One way to understand this is to imagine that companies dividend out all their profits every year. If you bought something for $1.5B and it dividended out $100M every year, that would be a 6.6% annual return.

[2] Why are these high-priced financings reasonable? From the company’s perspective: your traffic is growing so fast you need to invest millions of dollars in infrastructure. Meanwhile copycats are popping up in other countries. You don’t know if the financial markets will suddenly dry up. Someone offers you, say, $50M for minimal dilution. Seems like a reasonable hedge. From the investor’s perspective: the history of venture capital shows that almost all the returns are generated from big hits like Amazon, eBay, Facebook and Google. (As Paul Graham once put it: “The difference between a bad VC fund and a great VC fund is one big hit”).

  • Judd Morgenstern

    All businesses have costs, and therefore margins. But not all information/web businesses have revenues. I think there has been a focus on revenue (1) to show its a ‘real’ business and (2) as a proxy for growth.

    Also, revenue alone represents a kind of vanity metric (assuming point of business is to generate free cash flow), hence a desire to put up big numbers. And the vanity appeals to both managers and investors, who may get irrationally swayed.

    • http://www.cdixon.org chris dixon

      Yes, vanity metric is a good word for it (when unaccompanied by profits or evidence there will be profits).

      • Anonymous

        Hi Chris, 

        Is your post about advocating focus-ing on margins?

        I am not entirely sure.

        Of course, I can see how the media and society in general gets fixated on revenues like how companies get fixated on vanity metrics like Facebook fans.

        I have read this before by Mark Suster. http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2011/12/27/should-startups-focus-on-profitability-or-not/

        He seems to say that there are times that you should look at growth.

        And as Judd has mentioned, revenue is a proxy stat for growth.

        So the question is how do you know when to focus on profit (aka margin) and when to focus on growth(aka revenue)?

        • http://www.cdixon.org chris dixon

          I am not talking about the question of *when* to focus on growth vs profitability (which is what Mark is talking about), but rather the business model question of whether you should try to get to, say, $1B in company value by getting to 500m in revenues with 20% margins or 150M in revenue with with 70% margins. It’s about where you want you ultimate profitability to come from.

          • Anonymous

            Hi Chris, 

            trying to learn here.

            So when you say trying to get to $1B in company value, you mean the cash reserves the company has accumulated eventually?

            • http://www.cdixon.org chris dixon

              well that’s one way to get to (greater than) 1B in value. But another way is to have annuities that people will pay $1B to receive. (see footnote [1])

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  • Anonymous

    What would you advise an early stage startup you (of Founders Fund) funds, as far as optimization metric goes? Revenues or Margins (or User?!)? 

    ps – assuming its in a space where it could conceivably monetize as well as optimize for growth (huge caveat, I know).

    • http://www.cdixon.org chris dixon

      I think you have to take it case by case. There are tech companies where scale matters (e.g. Amazon), but many cases where it seems much more about “operating leverage” (e.g. Craigslist).

      • Anonymous

        Happy you brought up Craigslist, been studying them recently. If I understand your reference right, then these guys have done a crazy-good job at maximizing their operating leverage (capex:opex). And they were bootstrapped for the most part to boot. 

  • Anonymous

    Hi Chris,
    Good post, I once worked for a privately held company – we used a balanced approach when valuing the company (option grants).  We took a average of both a sales multiple and EBITDA multiple.

    • http://www.cdixon.org chris dixon

      Seems to make sense.

    • http://www.victusspiritus.com/ Mark Essel

      Got a simple example handy? Sorry my finance muscles are weak this morning.

  • http://jasoncrawford.org jasoncrawford

    In a business with economies of scale and/or network effects, there is a good argument for getting big fast in order to establish a defensible asset—to build your moat. That’s why Amazon, Facebook, and Groupon all have operated (or are still operating) at barely-positive free cash flow in order to grow as fast as possible.

    If a business has a negative operating cycle (collecting revenues well before needing to pay the associated expenses), it can even fund growth in part from float. Amazon did this in its early days and Groupon is doing it now.

    When you look at companies like this it helps to separate out their business into the established area vs. the growth area. When Amazon goes into new product lines (electronics vs. books), or when Groupon goes into new countries, often the new area is operating at a loss in the beginning while it gets established and they figure it out. The old area can be operating at a healthy profit, funding the growth. That may be low combined margin now, but it’s set up to be profitable in the future when the new area, too, is established and optimized.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/chrishuntis/ chrishuntis

    “no one ever went broke taking a (high) profit (margin)”

  • http://www.alearningaday.com Rohan

    “The difference between a bad VC fund and a great VC fund is one big hit”Nice perspective. True about most things in life, eh?

    • http://www.victusspiritus.com/ Mark Essel

      The penalty of failure is mitigated by one shining success. Those are odds I like.

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  • http://twitter.com/milestone_group Philippe & Mark

    Thoughtful post Chris.  It’s a topic we spend a tremendous amount of time on the topic and our vote is with growth:

    Growth sets the stage to reward shareholders (no growth, no exit).  Growth gives you access to capital (both in public / private markets).  Growth gets potential acquirers to pay attention.  Growth gets you noticed and generates buzz.  Growth allows you to attract top talent.  Growth puts your competitors on the defensive and perhaps provokes them to make a mistake or two.

    Revenue growth simply makes any company relevant, and without growth, it’s likely losing market share.  No company sustains relevancy without top-line revenue growth.

    Think if it this way.  Company A is doing $1M in revenue, not profitable but growing at 100% a quarter.  Company B is also doing $1M in revenue. 40% gross margins but not growing.

    A strong top line and you can always fix the bottom line, but a strong bottom line doesn’t mean you can fix the top line.

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  • http://cartergibson.net Carter

    Scale becomes a problem too. A company doing $100M in revenue w/ 50% margin has a greater chance of doubling their business than a company doing $500M in revenue with 10% margin. The law of large numbers will catch up eventually. Other aspects would tie to this as well such as infrastructure and overhead needed to support 5x the revenue plus reduced % available for research or trying new ideas.

  • Anonymous

    Ex post facto I’d love to have invested in a fund with one big hit. Prospectively, I want to invest in VC’s with reproducible results. If a VC has a high return on a previous fund, I’m still not going to invest if that return is due to luck rather than skill.

  • http://afinanceguy.com afinanceguy

    Nice post Chris.  That was my all time favorite Fred post, nice to see it made an impression on you as well.

    What blows me away about Amazon is the Bezos told investors it would take 5 years to get to profitability and he nailed that timing almost exactly.  Why more effort isn’t put into lifting operating margin beyond 2% at this point does seem odd.  I don’t see the competition they are neck and neck with that still justifies the growth company P&L statement.

  • JamesHRH

    Chris – i missed this post (and did not get the profound nature of Fred’s initial post. Terrific stuff.

    I particularly agree that, if you reflect on the consumer internet space, margins should be exceptional.

    That is a true insight.